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on: November 16, 2007, 05:05:55 pm »

I saw all the cool simulations you are doing with the java applets, but I think you could draw more attention (and perhaps more talent?) with fully rendered simulations using plugins for 3D graphics packages like

Maya and 3d studio max 9

http://usa.autodesk.com/adsk/servlet/index?id=5659302&siteID=123112

www.autodesk.com
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Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 08:19:42 pm »

The standard I set up for the creation of simulations are:
1. True: The simulation must be designed according to the physics law, it there is something not correct, it is useless.
2. Easy: It should be easy to use.
3. Nice: The last one was making the simulation look nice.

All the simulations I have designed since year 2001 were created with Easy Java Simulation. It is a free tools and all the simulation created are also free for educational use.
I have purchased one copy of 3d studio max several years ago. But I do not think it is better than the tool I was using now (i.e. Easy Java Simulation) for creating educational simulations.  May be 3d studio tool can create something look nice, but what really important is the design and the content. And for learning physics, sometimes, we would like students also use their mind to think in abstract way. 

Thank you for your suggestion. However, I will keep on using Easy Java Simulation.  And user can download a copy of Easy Java Simulation for free and create physics simulations with it, too. I do not find any reason to switch to maya or 3d studio max.
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Reply #2 on: November 17, 2007, 11:19:26 pm »

Ahh yes but I'm think of having TWO layers...

Have the Java (perfect) simulation, but then have a split screen, where you have a render of a *virtualized* simulation, where you use placeholder objects.  You can keep the accurate java simulations, but you can visual-metaphorically represent the perfect simulation (through virtualization) as something else.

So think of it as having the perfect (java) simulation, and then the virtualized (imaginary) simulation, it's not that the virutal one is not helpful in in thinking about how objects interact in a higher more detailed space.... Anything that contains partial truth (a metaphor) has at least a part of the truth, since  a truth, is a self contained object.

I would try just to virtualize a simulation, and not worry about object interaction, other then point vectors, say you have spheres representing each distinct object you want to represent, or a merged 'sphere wave', all that matters is that they follow the vectors and have virtualized properties that represent and fill in for the lack of Exactitude.

Also note that Albert Einstein said "If I can't visualize it, I can't understand it".

Try thinking of 3D rendered version as being a metaphorical trope.

Metaphor (from the Greek: metapherin) is language that directly compares seemingly unrelated subjects. In the simplest case, this takes the form: "The [first subject] is a [second subject]." More generally, a metaphor is a rhetorical trope that describes a first subject as being or equal to a second subject in some way. Thus, the first subject can be economically described because implicit and explicit attributes from the second subject are used to enhance the description of the first. This device is known for usage in literature, especially in poetry, where with few words, emotions and associations from one context are associated with objects and entities in a different context.
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Reply #3 on: November 18, 2007, 08:34:59 am »

Yes. I am agree with you. Use those tools as an add-on function might help user to see the situation in more intuitive way. 
It does have some value to do it the way you have suggested.

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I saw all the cool simulations you are doing with the java applets, but I think you could draw more attention (and perhaps more talent?) with fully rendered simulations using plugins for 3D graphics packages like Maya and 3d studio max 9
The software itself (Maya or 3d studio max) is a commercial product. Is there any plugins freely available? If the answer is yes, may be I will try to spend time working in this area.

Because I also would like to help user to create their simulation easily or modified simulation I have created. And EJS(Easy Java Simulation) is freely available.  And if you are familiar with those software, could you help to create at least one example as a demo for your ideas. Or may be we can work together to create some new view for all the simulations.
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Reply #4 on: November 18, 2007, 10:40:57 am »

I will look around for some free tools... I haven't investigated too thoroughly yet, but there is milkshape 3D below, this may be an interesting possibility.



Anim8or
http://www.anim8or.com/main/



Milkshape 3D
http://chumbalum.swissquake.ch/

They have FREE trials of many software...

Truespace
http://www.caligari.com/

I'll try to find more...  Also... check out www.rentacoder.com maybe you can ask someone for advice?  I think it would be a really good idea.


A whole bunch of links to other programs

http://www.3dlinks.com/links.cfm?categoryid=1&subcategoryid=2&CFID=313983&CFTOKEN=13444195
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Reply #5 on: November 18, 2007, 08:43:08 pm » posted from:Taipei,T\'ai-pei,Taiwan

I did check out the Anim8 web site. It seems to be a nice tool, and it also include script support.
But I can not find a way to use it with the java code. May be I will need to check out java 3D or java related tools.
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Reply #6 on: November 19, 2007, 03:37:29 pm »

Caligari also has a free version.... not sure if there is a good SDK or tools though...

http://forms.caligari.com/forms/ts3all_free.html
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Reply #7 on: November 20, 2007, 10:06:40 am » posted from:Taipei,T'ai-pei,Taiwan

I downloaded truespace3 and installed it on my computer.
But I can not find a way to add script, and I do not know how to combine it it with java simulations.
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Reply #8 on: November 20, 2007, 11:48:48 pm »

http://www.caligari.com/products/truespace/ts4/features.asp

It says that you can script in python? hmm... I got an idea, there must be forums, maybe you can ask around?

http://forums.caligari.com/discus/messages/1589/15594.html

I will keep looking Smiley
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Reply #9 on: May 06, 2009, 01:42:26 pm »

wow! cool post!
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