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Fu-Kwun Hwang
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 « Embed this message on: January 29, 2004, 10:57:18 pm » posted from:,,Satellite Provider

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This java applets let you understand the entire range of behavior of a single convex lens or image formed by two lens.

How to use it:
You will see single convex lens and a block with four different at each corner.
You will also find images for those corner.
It is like viewing the image of a 3 dimensional object.
The image is distorted and its length is reduced more than its height.
The magnification transverse to the axis is greater than the longitudinal magnification along the axial direction.
Click within the area of the block will show light path for different points.
The location for the object p and object q are shown near the top,

the focus length are labeled at the bottom.
You can click within the small circle at the focus point and drag the mouse to change the focus point.
Click at the top left corner of the block and drag the mouse to move it.
Click the bottom right corner of the block and drag it to change its size.
The mouse position is displayed as ( x, y ) value.

Click the right mouse button to have another lens, Click it again to remove it.
x2 is the location of the mouse tip relative to the second lens. d is the distance between two lens.
You will find image formed by two lens.
Click within lens area and drag the mouse to move the lens.
Click the circle between lens to change the focus length.
You can simulate image formed by lens combination experiments with this java applets.
All the related parameters are shown, record it and perform a virtual experiment.

 Emulate refracting telescope:Enlarge the image of a distant object.The object is at a finite far distance from the device, so that the intermediate image is located beyond the image focus of the objective. The inverted intermediate image served as the object for the eyepiece, which function as a magnifier. Magnifying power = f1 / f2 Emulate compound microscope:The lens system closest to the object is the objective. It forms a real, inverted, magnified image of the object that is then viewed by the eyepiece. The latter is essentially a magnifying glass that looks at and enlarge the image created by the objective. The total angular magnification od the system = d * 25.4(cm)/ (f1 *f2)

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 « Embed this message Reply #1 on: May 27, 2004, 05:53:59 pm »

Could there be some display problem with this applet ?

I had f = 50, [b:c5e8d6fe77]p[/b:c5e8d6fe77] = 70 and the applet read [b:c5e8d6fe77]q[/b:c5e8d6fe77]= 96 but as I move my mouse over the image the x,y coordinates read 175 which is what [b:c5e8d6fe77]q[/b:c5e8d6fe77] should be
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 « Embed this message Reply #2 on: June 17, 2005, 05:57:19 am »

I made a calculation and found :arrow: if f=50 and p=70 q must be 175 :!: but in applet it's 96 :?: :?:
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 « Embed this message Reply #3 on: June 17, 2005, 10:32:54 am »

I am sorry that the applet show the correct image position, however, the value was incorrect.
It is fixed now.

Thank you!
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 « Embed this message Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 05:30:48 am »

Thank you mr Hwang. I think you do your job very well and i have to thank you for permission of using your applets offline. I searched a lot but i found a few sites who gives permission to use their applets offline. I think knowledge increases if its shared.
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 « Embed this message Reply #5 on: November 29, 2005, 07:04:44 pm »

The applet of COMBINATION OF 2 CONVEX LENS is really superb. But if both the lens are CONCAVE and/or combination of Convex and Concave then what? Depending on your above mentioned applet, my students are now asking for the dynamic applet look of combination of 2 concave lens.

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 « Embed this message Reply #6 on: March 18, 2006, 07:16:24 pm »

The applet is very nice. Thank you. It shows the construction rays of imaging (i.e. one ray through the focal point, one ray through the prinicpal point). However in optical engineering the stop position (and the resulting pupils) is essential for imaging. Once it its defined the chief ray and the marginal ray can be drawn. These rays are much more important than the construction rays because they define for example the perspective and the resolution that can be obtained. For expample most microscopes are telecentric, i.e. the stop is located at the focal point (image side), therefore the chief ray on the object side is parallel to the optical axis. This avoids a 'breathing' of the image when focusing.

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 « Embed this message Reply #7 on: March 15, 2009, 08:01:30 pm »

I have a question about the following two sentences:

"The image is distorted and its length is reduced more than its height.
The magnification transverse to the axis is greater than the longitudinal magnification along the axial direction."

because I am translating this and have absolutely no idea what they are referring to. When I tried to test this, I took the lengths and heights in the image and original and compared them. In the instance I was measuring, the ratio of the lengths (parallel to the optical axis) was 4 times larger in the image than the original, whereas the heights were 1.25 and 2.9 times larger in the image than the original.

So, again, I am confused, or maybe I am misunderstanding the sentences: How is it that the length is enlarged less (or reduced more, that also confused me) than its height when distorted?
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 « Embed this message Reply #8 on: March 15, 2009, 08:17:07 pm » posted from:Taipei,T\'ai-pei,Taiwan

If the ratio of width and height between image and object are the same, then the image is not distored.
However, in real case, the ratio of width and height  between image and object are not the same.

widthimage/widthobject ≠ heightimage /heightobject

That is the reason I said the image is a distoration of the object.
Because the relation betweeb object and image are calculated from:
1/p +1/q =1/f
and
heightimage /heightobject= q/p

for object with width w, at position p
1/(p-w/2)+1/q1=1/f
1/(p+w/2)+1/q2=1/f
The width of the image is |q2-q1| !
The height of the image are between q2/(p+w/2) and q1/([-w/2)

Forexample:
The object is the small rectangle at the left side of the following image.
However, the image is not a square any more. And

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 « Embed this message Reply #9 on: April 10, 2009, 03:29:17 am » posted from:Spartanburg,South Carolina,United States

I have studied the examples and am quite interested in the longitudinal versus transverse dimensions of the image.
For clarification:  The square object lies in the longitudinal plane, as does the trapezoidal image? The more distant vertical dimension of the object is magnified in the image more than the nearest vertical dimensions of the object ?  The java applet does not deal with directions transverse to the optical axis shown?

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 « Embed this message Reply #10 on: April 10, 2009, 07:55:01 am » posted from:Taipei,T\'ai-pei,Taiwan

As shown in the attached image,even I only calcuate those 4 points image of a square and connect those 4 points image in the simulation. The real image is still in trapezoidal shape.
But the center point  in the object is not corresponds to center point in the image (check out the second image-a snap shot image from the following URL).

Please check out object in front of concave/convex lens for more detail calculated image. You can dra any point in the object and find out the corresponding image points.
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 « Embed this message Reply #11 on: October 02, 2010, 01:17:15 am » posted from:Bangkok,Krung Thep,Thailand

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 « Embed this message Reply #12 on: November 15, 2012, 12:31:26 pm » posted from:Bangkok,Krung Thep,Thailand

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 « Embed this message Reply #13 on: June 16, 2018, 12:16:51 am » posted from:,,Satellite Provider

I am trying to get the Thin Lens combinations Java applet to run. I downloaded the files to my local computer, but I do not see how to run the applet after doing that. Can someone please advise me what to do ?

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